SPEAKER_04 0:01

Hello and welcome to Skull Portal, Exploring Psycho-spiritual Horizons with your hosts, Cedric Speyer and Deanna Magel. Cedric is a master and therapist who developed the interview guidance model and is a pathfinder in the psycho-spiritual realm. Deanna created the essential skull care model, a model suitable for therapists, coaches, and healers. The monthly episodes of Skull Portals feature guests sharing insights on their personal paths and professional practices. Thank you for tuning in for the Self Half with all kinds of trail-pleasing teachers and clients at Cedric, Deanna, and guests explore new evolutionary landscapes.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Allowing it to be both energizing and edifying. And then comes the opening quote. But our guests, our guest today is Casey Mews, and who's a public speaker and a mentor and does drumming therapy. And you'll find out a lot more about him as we go along. This quote is from his the chapter he has in a book, Holistic Mental Health. It's a comment, you know, with different chapters on all kinds of approaches. Um, so Casey says, and this very much relates to our intriguing theme, the beauty of drumming lies in its ability to create this cognitive neuro effect, stimulating both the left and right sides of the brain. The left side of the brain, responsible for logic and language, collaborates with the right side, which is associated with creativity and intuition. These two sides of the brain are designed to work together harmoniously. So for all you therapists out there, it's very similar to EMDR, the effect of what of the practice that Casey does. Another way of getting to the same integration that EMDR does. So back to you, Deanna.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Hi, Casey.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Hi Deanna, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 2:53

I'm good. And just as a caveat, I know Casey because we both contributed to the the book that um we just referenced. So that's how I met Casey and was intrigued with his work. Um so Casey, in a war, I mean, I know everybody can see your bio. I'm gonna put your your website link in the chat. Um, and Cedric gave his um interpretation of what you do. Can you give us in a sentence or two what you do? And then can you lean into the spiritual piece behind how you came to do what you do?

SPEAKER_03 3:34

So I would describe shortly what I do as creating spaces for healing by providing percussion interventions and accompaniment of cognitive functioning. No matter what age range you are, no matter what facet of life you come from, I also serve a lot of neurodivergent clients as well as ECE or early childhood education for cognitive progression in that manner, as well as dementia and Alzheimer's clients.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

So yeah, yeah, it's a really wide range. And yeah, children too, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:15

You children and yeah, it's super wide. So I'm I'm truly blessed. Um, and I'll go back to the spiritual portion, Deanna. I hadn't forgotten to discuss and talk about that. Um I'm truly blessed to be in East Texas, where music therapy is a nuance that is not so understood or welcome sometimes, and it's so great, it's it's directly aligned with my spiritual journey. So that's that's why I'm leaning into this portion of it, and then I'm gonna bounce back to how it does it directly for me. But it's so great. I also do drumline instruction for an arts magnet school here in Tyler, Texas. So a lot of drumming is what I do for a living, which is fantastic. I would have not thought that that would be my journey. And spiritual portion of it is what I would say is cadence and time and heartbeat and rhythm and um connected with God or Father. I'm I mean, I'm I'm Christian, so for me, it's God and that also just leans into my background of being a substance abuse counselor, so it's making space for non-judgmental statements and comments for all people that believe in all facets of spirituality, right? It's a huge habit of mine that I don't know that will ever go away. But cadence and rhythm and time and understanding how to slow any moment that exists down and spending just the most intentional thought processes in every moment that exists has always been really beneficial for my therapeutic approach and really beneficial for my spiritual journey, and it aligns with it. And just playing drums has directly attached to that for me, whenever the intention of slowing the time down or speeding it up, but then also having as much influence over my control of hands with touching a hand drum or wrapping my hands around drumsticks is just really close and connected with me. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Sounds very meditative.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

No doubt, no doubt. All of it is uh like I believe drumming, I believe everything anything you should you do for a living should be meditative in as deep capacity as possible. For me, drumming is nothing but meditative, and I'm blessed to be able to be in a position to provide therapeutic intervention interventions and um do things like be a drumline instructor is just outstanding for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

So I'm just curious because I bet I know the answer to this, but do you ever when you're working with children or you know, whatever, elderly um in certain settings, maybe more so in some than others, but do you see those moments in the clients in the audience where they have you see that spiritual peace in them come alive?

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Yeah, yeah, all the time. Um actually, I mean, huge example I can think about is the first opening paragraph in my chapter where I reference this kid who is so enthused by the drumming exercise. And I I think we were just guiding them through a simple perioddle, which is the pattern of right, left, right, right, left, right, left, left, and some of the accents added to it, which I mean I can kind of go through some of that today. Um, but he was just his spirit when the practice was done, just yelled out, man, that shit felt good. And for me, that was just amazing and humbling. And the fact that his teachers created that space to where they heard it because I didn't hear him say that. His teachers heard him say it. They said, Yeah, did you hear so-and-so say that? And going through this is um, this is a quite an aha moment that happened yesterday as I was doing drumline instruction with um in the magnet school. I was going through some of the bilateral practices of sensory adaptation to where you have vision boards of color notated. So I had a measure, so it was four quarter notes, and I had um I had it, I had them separated by color and then number and then hands. So you only have two hands, right? Then um, I forgot the actual vision board, and I had this really cool African colored sweater conveniently, and so I was mapping out the colors, and they were like, Oh, kind of like your sweater. So I used my sweater, so that was really cool. So they used my sweater to mark with the colors, and it was great. And so I had them, they were able to understand which one was right, which one was left, what the colors were, what the hands were, what the numbers were by the end of it, and they were adding accents to it, and they were like, Oh, what if we add this accent? And so watching them play and explore cognitively and then act that out was such a blessing and such a fantastic thing, right? Just several, several um examples of that as well. Even when I go in and do home sessions for my trap learning program, that I provide I say my, it's not my, but I'm one of the providers of trap learning that are international. Can you say what that stands for? The TRAP sure, it's the Rhythm Arts Project, and it's actually trap learning. So, um, if you would tag the trap learning website in this post when you put it up as well, because my good friend, Mr. Eddie Tondori, is the director and overseer of that, and had a conversation with him during COVID of all times, whenever I was trying to figure out what life looked like. And uh, mutual friend of ours reached out to me and said, Hey, you should contact my friend Eddie in California, he's got this thing called trap learning, and I think you guys kind of speak on the same accord. And so I talked to Eddie, like a three-hour-long conversation was fantastic. And by the end of that conversation, he was like, I would like to have another conversation to see if you being a trap provider would be appropriate, where you would have to normally go through the whole process of going through a training, and then he talked to me the next time for about two hours and he said, I just emailed the training to you. You got it, do it, do it what you will. I have no doubt you would pay all respect to it, but yeah, it's so it's the rip the the rhythm arts project and it's learning at the end of that, which that is the program that is specifically neurodivergent, but then again, not limited to. And so, yeah, um, I do that in group sessions, and then I also do that in home sessions with the family for education and integration to where it continues after I leave. So I do it with four basis of a six-month period. I do two sessions a month in in that four-week time period, and so I go through some of the vision boards and some of the call and response audio practices, whether it be periodals, whether it be triplets, whether it be whichever, right? I go through reverse engineering of building patterns, taking patterns away, understanding the process of patterns. There's a lot of problem solving for central nervous system and executive functioning, frontal lobe unlocking, and I do some diaphragmatic breathing in with that as well. There's a whole lot of components to it, and it's fantastic. So, the purpose of that, the with the home sessions is providing it in the home so that the parent understands what it could look like and what it should look like, so that way I don't have to be there and it's a gift to them.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Right, yeah, it sounds very technical, but I'm sure when it comes across to the clients, it does in a simple way because it's so experiential, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:09

For that, yeah, it is, it is no doubt, and also just like even with all the technical aspects of it and options for dynamic that are appropriate per client, it's also really important for me to just be in the moment and flexible and be with that client as much as possible, but then also be with the family and just deeply connected, right? And you must do it prayerfully from what you said about your own faith and and yeah, and keeping friends, it's kind of like the Hippocratic oath, do no harm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Um, somebody asked in the chat, is it is it just in the USA? I did put the link in.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

No, no, I I can I can provide trap over online correspondence and give education with all the appropriateness as possible. Uh feel free to reach out to me. I'm sure all my contact links will be put down below. But I'd welcome all the conversation about that.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

So, do you actually do Zoom sessions where you know for the same effect?

SPEAKER_03 14:22

I don't I don't do so much of the Zoom sessions where there's call and response to where I play and they play. It's more of showing the patterns and the exercises, and then they play afterwards for a period of time because there's so much latency with Zoom, but they're still very so effective.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Now, your your title, you're kind of an intriguing title. Uh I do, huh? Yeah, it's like right away the title is invokes like the before story in the before and after, because it's yeah, the anxious rhythm of the muted black boy, very provocative title to your chapter. So was that you, the muted black boy?

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Is that it's still it's still me. It will forever be me. It's fine. I think, um, I think as long as I live, that title will be me in person. I think even after I pass, that title will still associate it with being something that I uphold. And I think I actually proudly uphold that title due to me being someone who's audaciously stands up for what I believe in, and um, which are very cognitive and neural things, and also not being ashamed or afraid to explore those things, and not being ashamed to discuss those things in person. It's been a very in-your face or in public face uh presence for me, especially living in East Texas and going through all of the social challenges of allowing people to understand or creating spaces for conversation of understanding, right? And sometimes that is the question that I ask myself whenever I build the conversation is how do I what setting do I create this conversation in? What word do I say to create the hook to bring people into this conversation? Right, maybe even what story do I dig in and my background to introduce this conversation, right? All those things are really important as I discuss what I do.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

You know who would appreciate you is just coming to me, you know, Van Jones on CNN? Like I can see I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

I should, huh?

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he would be like really nodding as he heard you speak there. You know, for that quality of conversation, you know, not you know, because those discourses then you know get so much into like black and white points of view, like you know, literally and figuratively.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Well, and when I read the chapter, you know, to meet you, so as background, you and I were in a couple of meetings about the book and um did a couple of podcast events on behalf of the book, and so and I had not read your chapter yet. I don't think we had the book in hand yet. But anyway, you I would never identify you as muted. Right, right? Um and it was very subtle for me in the chapter that the drum you finding the rhythm literally helped unmute you.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

And so somebody has said in the chat, does the drum speak for you?

SPEAKER_01 18:27

No. No, no, because you have your own you found your voice. No.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Well, I think what happened is I think I'm gonna reference a transition that was like really dynamic when I started the endeavors of uh providing education and therapy of healing with drumming, was when I moved to a I'm gonna I'm gonna there's a timeline story. I'm actually really excited to say this. Um so when I moved to a magical place called Nacadoches, Texas, which is spelled N-O-N-O-C-A N-A-C N-A-C-O-G-C-H E S, NACOG no D-O-C-H-E-S, NACOG DOCS, right? Which is like an hour and a half away from where I live now, but like I lived there for six years and I started all of these endeavors there. And when I stamped my footprint there, I made this intentional transition to move from drumming on drum set mostly to hand drums because they're more tactile. Now, listen, I didn't make the tactile connection at that point in time whatsoever. I just did it because I'm black and I'm African American and it's close to my roots, and it just felt good, right? And also made the symbiotic, symbiotic connection or transition from music to serve myself only for like um in studio purposes, because I used to be an in-studio producer in Dallas, Texas, and I was signed to an independent music label for a little bit due to some unforeseen things, which it will take some time. We won't get into in them. But if you want to ask me later on in another conversation, or if anybody would like to ask me later on off chat, we can have that conversation as well. But I made the another transition from serving myself to serving others with music, and so that was really dynamic for me.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Yeah, so yeah. You you found a way to you found a way for your vocation to be more of service to the collective than just to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Yes, yeah. Yeah, just yesterday I heard a rabbi say, do you want to be needy or be needed? Yeah. Yeah. So it's one end of the spectrum, like mute to an acclaimed public speaker is one end of the spectrum to the other.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

It's yeah, it's a whole full-body thing. It's it's wild when I think about it. But yeah, muted in a lot of spaces. And I also think I figured out a couple of things. One of those things being how to use my voice to speak to the right audience at the right time, which is all audiences, but in specific times that they are willing to listen and how to identify that time. And also to recognize how to. not be so concerned with people's opinions.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Well and I also got the sense that while you were engaged in music, which was and and having a music background myself, like music feeds me. Yeah. But it sounds like even though you were doing music, it wasn't doing you. You weren't, there was, it was not congruent. It wasn't, and at least for me, sometimes in my past with my music, my ego got in the way. And I couldn't appreciate the music for music's sake.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

Yes. It had gotten to that point for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Yeah. And so somebody's asking what made the change from self to others, Casey. Did you see the impact somewhere?

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Yeah, that was the spiritual connection of continuing to not listen to God in conversation and him telling you telling me I need to make a change and I was just ignoring him. And then finally getting sick and tired of the consequences of not listening and not being obedient. It was the culmination of a bunch of conversations not heard.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

It's just yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

And then and then finally I had to from Dallas I had to move back home to Longview, Texas. And so listen for a 24-year-old to have to move from a city to back to a rural area that's like the most devastating thing in the world. No um I mean I grew up in I grew up in um the I don't really even know I I grew up in a black church um and then like a Baptist is yeah I grew up in a black baptist church and then there was another denomination that transitioned from that in the black churches well it wasn't it was more it is definitely a space from Pentecostal um and when I moved to Dallas I started going to non-denominational churches just because the volume of music was too loud like I would come home my mom would be like why'd you switch to non non-denominational white churches and I would say because the music's too loud in black churches and it was absolutely accurate and now my I hope my mom doesn't hear me say this but maybe she does need to hear me say this but now she goes to a church in umble Texas that the EQing and all of the mixes of the music are so completely off to my ear palette and it's so here's what's so funny it's so drum heavy that it's annoying right wow yeah I had a sidebar question uh what do you what do you think of rap music because rap music is like emblematic for unmuting and and saying sure I love I love rap music I'm a hip hop head man I love rap music that's that's my bread and butter okay rap music and like uh 80s late 70s 80s and early 90s RB music okay but then I also like things like cigarass which is like Icelandic post rock music and Bjork and I like jazz like Elephant's Gerald and um yeah I like broad range of things I like some metal music as well deft tones are cool. Yeah and did you have a role model or mentor on your path listen I have I have had um several so my my name Muse is not my name it's not anything legal whatsoever it is actually a given nickname by six mentors that I've had and still have five of them one of them has passed um but they did not know of each other at all and at the same around the same time started calling me like Muse and La Muse or the Muse or the Muse one and some different variations of that name but all spelled with a Z. And this was when I was living in Dallas and so when I had to move back to Longview and then move back to Nackerchas I woke up one day and did some research over Muse and made all the connections and called one of them and I said bro how did you say man I was just waiting on you to connect the dots it wouldn't make no difference if we told you and so called all of them and um they all started meeting collectively and just kind of discussing my life and what seeds they wanted to impart and give to me so no I'm I'm real big on mentorship that's actually how I became a mentor is just being real big on mentorship.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

So you went from being muted to being a muse yeah yeah yeah I may have been a muse even when I was muted yeah you know one of our stock questions you you you answer every which way like already which is what uplifts your spirit and allows you to lose track of time that's what you're it's kind of what you're all about and yeah can you talk a little bit about I think we've got a few therapists in the room um you know in this in this chapter you wrote your story but then you gave an an example of a practice that people could use yes and and there's also that word you've already said and I can't remember it.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Paradiddle yes can you can you explain some of that and more on the binary the binaural beats and and then talk about this little exercise yeah where do you want me to start you I think you asked me like three different things I did um what's that word again pariddle parididdle yeah okay tell us about the pariddle and then tell us about the exercise parididal is a drum rudiment that is very sacred to every drummer it becomes kind of a it almost becomes kind of a sacred word that if anybody says the word periodoodal they know that you have had a conversation with the drummer or you are a drummer.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

And so periodoodal the hand pattern is a four pattern hand pattern it's right left right then you have the mirroring side of it which will be left right left left right so like looking at my hands right so which this will be my right hand my left hand right so then I would play right left right and then the mirror would be left right left left right and so one sometimes if this makes sense if it's part of the goals that are cognitively appropriate for any client I like to guide through this exercise with accents accents are things that are louder than the other things right so I may play one is louder than the other two three and four so one would be right left right right left right left left right so when you do the whole thing you're gonna go right left right right left right right and then I move seamlessly through so then the the long goal is to get them to understand the moving pattern. So then you move to the two then you move to the three then you move to the four right so then we may break it down piece by piece and it may take some time and that's fine. It's fantastic as part of the journey right so the added part of that is providing the vision board so then the notated ones that look like right left and then right right left right left left so I have a a measure that is notated with four notes that mark the hands right so now you have optical sensory right and then if you're touching anything then that's your tactile pleasure in your senses right right so then if you call in response the whole entire thing then that is your audio but then that's also your verbal and if you're hearing me affirm it then also call in response back to you that's also additive to your audio right so then deeply immersed in every single sensory that is available is the key to learning and the cognitive functioning of the bilateral left and right connecting together right so then you're also practicing exec executive functioning and problem solving because in truth it's not an easy practice to learn and it's not an easy goal to get and understand right like even when I started doing right left right you guys are like oh boy so yeah exactly I can hardly know my right from my left much less yeah listen yeah yeah yeah but but listen when I tell you that I can get four year olds to understand this it's phenomenal it is absolutely phenomenal and to think that because they understand this they're understanding problem solving at such a young age and it's kind of like that book Oh the places we will go right which is funny I referenced that my mom used to read that a lot to me when I was younger so now it's just kind of stuck in my psyche sometimes however seeing all the aha moments of problem solving and then boosting neuroplasticity at an early age is incredible right yeah did uh can the client do it the way you were just doing it without actually having a drum or anything that they're touching yeah not no drum is needed now a drum is the most beneficial because you're feeling the sound waves and all the frequencies that come off of it and you can also play with parts of a drum or pieces on a drum whether you are in the middle of the drum or the rim of the drum or the cup cusp of a drum which is simply a way that you mold and bend your hands to create a slap tone or an open tone that's different.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

So then you can also play with how you hold your hands is very different and very dynamic right you can also play with muted tones or unmuted tones which are open tones or or closed tones right it gets so very intricate and so very advanced and then you can also deal with basic basic practices like uh like triplet practices that are simplistic or two note practices that are very simplistic as well you can also play with a same color call outs red red red red blue blue blue blue yeah yeah man is this something you that you were taught or or discovered or both yes and yes yeah okay Sally had a really interesting comment Diana yeah I've Sally says I've been doing that rhythm most of my life I had no idea it was a thing or had that name I've only heard paradidal in the context of Scottish pipe band drummers your your vocal was cracking a bit there cracking yeah what what what's her name Sally are you Sally are you in Scotland? Yeah um she says she she's only ever heard paradoodle in the context of Scottish pipe band drummers ah yeah Sally I'm glad you I can give you a little bit of enlightenment but yeah Sally let's have a whole conversation about periodoodles after this we we can do that so you basically you gave the examples of in the book you give the practice and so you did that because you said there are many different ways you can practice this without a drop there's so many and now listen Sally there's also double paradiddles and triple pair diddles and flam diddles and triplet diddles and all kinds of diddles it sounds it sounds kinky I need to make a I need to make a book like oh how the diddle something like a children's book about diddles that'd be great do you have any miracle cures in your history or repertoire that you're not shy to call that miracle cure miracle cure cure like for what like like um you know Asperger's autism like somebody who who other practitioners wouldn't have succeeded with and when they came to you was the breakthrough sure sure uh I do but it has more along the lines of the environment of which individuals live in and not so much my therapeutic approach which is be conscious of radiation that exists in the room that use well and that's a mysterious answer too much radiation wrong kind of radiation activates and is triggers for autism and Asperger's and all of those things but you were there and I assume your presence brought that to light yes well and the other miracle is your story in the in the book yeah I mean you know by miracle that's a grand term but something would surprise you and you'd say thank god afterwards and be grateful yeah it's it's it's a it's a good story yeah it was a fun it was a fun story to live now yeah okay we're down to the last 15 minutes i want I wanted to ask about the bigger picture of you know what they call race relations in the states all the viol all the violence the you know the the the collective conscience conscious and why why the so-called progress is so sporadic like you know you'll have the conversation dialogue then will be another shootout right with the cops and do you have anything to say in the the larger scale how your whole perspective might be redemptive like how would how do you see it evolving or improving in the especially in the states um cyclical I mean it it's just it's gonna continue to some degree and that pattern is going to continue and and I mean the reality of it is um new circumstances come to light or new circumstances happen and responses of people are similar because of concerns and distractions and so they get distracted or they'll advertise things and put things on social media or publications or the news or blah blah blah which advocates or irritates somebody else's psyche and and then you have people that are consciously not putting things out on any publication that could be messy or irritating to the souls or to the spirit those two sides of the coin happen and will continue to happen and unfortunately I don't see it getting better because in situations to where we shed light to things that's that one situation and those those one those two people that see it now maybe when you talk about community things in specific areas that's a different conversation and that may get better as a whole I I don't really know I mean I could see you for example if you had the opportunity to work with the police if to go in and do a a workshop for them so that their mind their minds become a little more holistic and it's not like the trigger happy reaction with somebody who's mentally ill and the the story that happens over and over that that would be cool we would have to I would have to find a police station that would be willing to let me do that.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Tyler Texas is a little rigid I would imagine so yeah yeah but I can think of many um many settings where just balancing essentially balancing the right and left brain yeah is would be beneficial yeah no in all settings and yeah and specifically um the the people that are overseeing the health and well being of others cognitively physically emotionally spiritually for that growth because those are the people that shepherd over us so yeah no doubt because you do a lot of public speaking in different places right I do I do I do yeah I have a lot of fun doing that yeah um there's a question can information be transmitted without words via the drum yes oh yes most definitely information energy uh yeah just spirits of intent of people yes in the biggest picture I mean going going bigger in the bigger picture there's this heavy duty book you know I read a lot of books like this and the other authors are always referring to this book yeah you know the it's it's very heavy duty thick you know but um I haven't I haven't read it yet I've just read books where there's a reference but it I think the basic idea is that if you go back far enough the hemispheres were naturally united and consciousness as we know it is when there started to be a split and a breakdown hence the title you know yes breakdown of the bicameral mind yeah read the title again because the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind yeah yeah that's like the really big picture of evolution and what consciousness has been through and why there's such an important need to reunite the two sides um Christine could you please type down the name again which which name I think she means the book right the name of the book

SPEAKER_01 44:00

The book. Yeah, the origin consciousness. Julian Jeans, J A Y N E S.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Can you type that in? Because I can't see it. Anyway, so yeah, case while Cedric's doing that. The question about, you know, can information be transmitted without words via the drum, or I guess any instrument for that matter, it's to me that elicits the sixth sense or the um clear senses, the the other language, the third ear. Um and I'm sure you see that with the people you work with.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

But you see some of that opening up.

SPEAKER_03 45:01

Often, often, yeah.

unknown 45:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:05

I think to some degree I have seen that with every client that I've worked with. Um and a lot of every unintentional person that I've influenced, that I've known about, uh, whether it be like I remember when I first moved to Tyler, I brought this drum, the still drum, to the mall and just walked around and started playing and acquired the nickname Magic Man from some from from a a kid that I met on that day and have did not know at all. And um, she posted the video on Instagram, and I walked into our local barbecue spot here in Tyler, and her mom's hey, magic man, and had a full conversation with me and let me know that her daughter now worked at that barbecue restaurant. And so I met her three whole years later. It's great.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 46:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

So somebody's asking, are you going to drum for us? And we did um test that, and unfortunately, the drumming doesn't come through via the Zoom um without without magical back backup technical help. So it was a thought though. Um, and then there's another question. Can you say more about drumming and people with dementia?

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Sure. Uh, call and response and memory syncing is a lot of what I do. So picking out songs from decades or time frames and playing the rhythmical patterns that exist and doing the harmonic melodies with my voice or just hums or up and down, and then getting them to repeat the hums up and down. And uh, yeah, so a lot of that is a practice that I use as well as not left and right, because that's a hard function for processing sometimes with ECE and with dementia clients. So we work up to it with ECE. Sometimes with dementia clients, I may end up doing it if it is a repeat connection where I just I go back periodically, like if I return monthly or I return bi-monthly or whichever it may be. We can work up to it if they've heard me use that language repetitely repetitively or before, then that's something that we can do. But there's a lot of three count rhythms that take place for heartbeat. There's always something about the number three that connects more along the lines with heartbeat natural rhythm, not fours, not twos, not fives, but the number three in um moving accents through threes is really so so very cool to watch.

SPEAKER_01 48:29

What advice would you give to your twenty-year-old self self? Assuming assuming you'd lost and found 20-year-old self. Or any age before you had your breakthrough.

SPEAKER_03 48:53

I would say, you know, Casey. You may want to do something a little bit I don't really know. Maybe um don't hang out with this particular person right now. It would be like there's a particular name that's in my head, which I'm not gonna do name shoutouts, but it would be don't hang out with this particular person right now because they're not doing things that are gonna that are gonna be good for your future. Probably be that because I think there's a name that's just like in the front in the front of my mind.

SPEAKER_00 49:34

So that was an environmental influence, sort of like the radiation, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Um somebody says, are we are we like drums vibrating to a special rhythm?

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Well, good question.

SPEAKER_03 49:55

No, you are percussion talking in specific code.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

Isn't that a fancy way of saying the same thing?

SPEAKER_03 50:09

No, no, no, no. Okay. So with a drum, you're needed more equipment and required more things to enjoy the accompaniment of the frequencies that are produced. With percussion, I am specifically discussing the idea that you have the modality of nothing but yourself. Percussive things, hands, mind, soul, body, spirit. You don't need anything else. Yeah. So when you talk about drums versus percussion, it's kind of like this, um, which this is like a whole nother topic, but I asked people, would you rather be a dictionary or a thesaurus? And they're like, Well, aren't they both the same thing? And I'm like, no, not really. I mean, they both are used sometimes for the same thing. But if you essentially look at the basis of a thesaurus, what it is used for is to give you options, and so it is living in the space of solving or problem solving or determining flexibility of many different routes that you could take. A dictionary will only give you multiple definitions and allow you to stall time and remain stagnant.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Okay, now for the rest of us, summarize that with percussion and drums. Okay one more time.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Okay with a drum, with a drum, it essentially looks like a poster board of somebody playing a drum set with drumsticks. It does not leave way for problem solving because you are limited to the sticks. When you have hands, you are more so in action of looking at muted modulation, non-muted modulation, whether you look at playing a slap tone, a bass tone, a slap cup tone, all of the facets of they're more closely connected to you, and you have more options. Now, what's really cool about percussion versus drums is try being a drummer of a drum set and then pausing for a minute or years or so in playing percussion, a hand drum, and then going back to playing a drum set. You're more fluid as a drummer.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Thank you. Um, we have about five minutes, and I want to, there's another question about TRAP. Um, very interested in learning more regarding TRAP training so that I can offer it alongside my integrative counselor practice. Will this be possible to access in the UK? So I would say um, Julie, contact Casey for more specific information. Sure. Um and then Bene says, can we take a problem to a drum and receive an answer?

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Yeah, that would be like an oracle, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

Drum as an oracle.

SPEAKER_03 53:44

Yeah. Why not? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Anyone have any last questions before we call it a wrap? Okay, Julie says, or no, Deborah says, Julie, there is a training called rhythm to recovery that may interest you as well. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

This would be a whole other podcast, but do you know David R. Hawkins and his whole theory of calibrating frequencies for everyone and everything? Yeah. No. Yeah, like measuring frequencies. And you know, anyway, he he breaks it all down. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

And Julie says, this has been very inspiring. Thank you, Casey.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

Thank you, Julie. I appreciate you and your time.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

Thanks, Casey. So interesting. And my love of drumming has had a turbo boost. That's from Sally. And Kimberly says, Thank you for your work. So sorry we didn't get to drum with you.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

So they can if they get in touch with you.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

Yeah, but get in touch with me. We can figure that out. That that would be fun to try to figure it out and get that going. Yeah.

unknown 55:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Thanks, Christine. It's really, really is interesting and amazing. Thank you so much for Casey, Deanna, and Cedric.

unknown 55:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

And this is the book, Holistic Mental Health. Great.

SPEAKER_01 55:34

Yes. And you have you have a really solid presence. Like a real, you know, I can see your presence in itself, especially in person, would be a healing factor.

SPEAKER_03 55:47

Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I think the confidence, I don't really know. I think the confidence is something that confidence in my spiritual and in my purpose has kind of has just bleeds through sometimes, which is is really cool. But yeah, there's there's definitely been a lot of work done on that on in the spiritual space and the physical space for sure.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

It's obvious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

Very, yeah, very. Thank you, Deanna. Thank you, Cedric.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Kevin Kimberly says, agree with the power of your presence.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Yeah, that's a good way of yes.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

No matter how uncomfortable it may be to you or to others.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Exactly. Wow, yeah. Yes. So I usually do a closing lesson to the book end at the other end. So the one comes to comes to me is like customized for you. Okay. Which is okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

Okay, ready? May you be under God's grace, safe in her care, and trusting his guidance. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

I'll I'll take some time and meditate on that. That's deep. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:17

Wow. Thank you everybody for being here. We're here. Um, what is it, the second Wednesday of every month?

SPEAKER_01 57:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

So um so glad to have all of you here. And if you have any questions, feel free to reach out to Casey. Um and that's a wrap. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

Thank you.